Monday, July 11, 2016

How Allegiant Air Solved its PCI Problem and Got a Whole Lot Better Security Culture, Too

Transcript of a discussion on how security technology can lead to a better posture maturity and then ultimately to cultural transformation and many added business benefits.

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Dana Gardner: Hello, and welcome to the next edition to the Hewlett Packard Enterprise (HPE) Voice of the Customer podcast series. I’m Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, your host and moderator for this ongoing discussion on IT Innovation -- and how it's making an impact on people's lives.

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Our next security innovation and transformation discussion explores how airline Allegiant Air solved its payment card industry (PCI) problem, and got a whole lot better security culture to boot.

When Allegiant needed to quickly manage its compliance around the Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard, the company embraced many technologies, including tokenization, but it also adopted an improved position toward privacy methods in general.

Here to share how security technology can lead to posture maturity -- and then ultimately to cultural transformation with many business benefits -- we're joined by Chris Gullett, Director of Information Assurance at Allegiant Air in Las Vegas. Welcome, Chris.
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Chris Gullett: Thank you, Dana. I’m looking forward to this discussion.

Gardner: Let's begin at a high level. What are the major trends that are driving a need for better privacy and security, particularly when it comes to customer information, and not just for your airline, but for the airline industry in general?

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Gullett: The airline industry in general has quite a bit of personally identifiable information (PII). When you think about what you have to go through to get on the plane these days, everything from your whole name, your date of birth, your address, your phone number, your flight itinerary, is all going in the record.

There is lot of information that you would rather not have in the public domain, and the airline has to protect that. In fact, there have been a couple of data breaches involving major airlines with things like frequent-flyer programs. So, we have to look carefully at how we interact with our customers and make sure that data is incredibly safe. We just don't want to take the brand hit that would occur if data leaked out.

Gardner: At the same time, we’re enjoying much better benefits by attaching more data to transactions, to process; we're able to cross organizational boundaries. And so, the user-experience benefits of having more data are huge. We don't want to back off from that, but we do want to be able to make sure that that data is protected.

What are some of the major ways we can recognize the need for better data uses, but keep it protected? Can they be balanced?

Technology fronts

Gullett: The airline industry is moving forward on a lot of technology fronts. Some airlines, for example, are using mobile devices to welcome specific customers on board with a complete history of how good a customer they are to that particular airline, so they can provide additional services in the air.

Other airlines are using beaconing [location] technologies, which I think is kind of cool. If you have a mobile app on your phone for the airline and you're transiting through the airport, how cool is it to know where you are and how long it's taking you to get through security. So, the airline might adapt at the gate as to whether there are going to be problems or not in boarding that particular plane.

There are a lot of different data points that are being collected and used now with different airlines handling them in different ways. In any event, the need for privacy is important, especially in the European Union (EU), which has incredibly tight data-privacy protection laws.

Gardner: We've talked about that on this podcast series. Now, the answer isn’t just the old thinking around security, where we'll just wall it off, or we'll use as little data as possible. Instead, we need to have more data in more places -- even down at that mobile edge.
We need data out to the edge where it's actually being consumed; that’s what has to happen these days.

So, as we think about ways to accommodate our need for more data in more places, even everywhere, is there top-level thinking that goes along with being able to make the data private, but also usable?

Gullett: That's the balancing point. Everybody wants their data everywhere. Before, a data center protected data inside the tight little confined, hardened shell you used to have, a perimeter with a firewall, and things like that. But we need data out to the edge where it's actually being consumed; that’s what has to happen these days.

Some airlines are putting consumer PII right in hands of the flight attendant on the plane. At Allegiant, for example, we're using mobile devices to accept credit cards on the plane. We're experimenting with a number of different technologies that fall into a category of Internet of Things (IoT), when you think about them. What they all have in common is that they're outside any possible perimeter.

So, you have to find a way to make every device have its own individual perimeter, and harden the data, harden the device, or some combination of the two.

Gardner: Let's hear more about your particular airline. Tell us about Allegiant Air and what makes it unique in the airline industry.

Regular profitability

Gullett: At Allegiant, we're up to 54 consecutive quarters of profit, which is unheard of in the airline industry. The famous phrase about the airline industry is, “How do you become a millionaire? You start with a billion dollars and you buy an airline.”

The profitability of airlines has been much in the news over the last couple of decades, because it's cyclical. Airlines fail, go into bankruptcy, or consolidate. There's been a lot of consolidation in the United States, with United taking on Continental, and Delta taking on Northwest as examples. Southwest taking on AirTran is another. Everybody has been in the game.

Allegiant is kind of off on its own. We've found an interesting niche that has very little direct competition on the routes that we serve, and that is taking vacationers to their favorite vacation destinations.

We connect small- and medium-sized markets -- markets like Kalispell, Montana or Indianapolis, Indiana, a medium-sized city. We'll take them to Florida, Las Vegas, or Los Angeles. We have about 19 vacation destinations now. We have about 115 cities overall. In fact, we serve more cities than Southwest, if you want to get a comparison on the size of the route map. And we're also taking the charter operators to three different countries in the Caribbean.
We've found an interesting niche that has very little direct competition on the routes that we serve, and that is taking vacationers to their favorite vacation destinations.

We have quite a different footprint. That adds up to about $1.3 billion in revenue a year, and from a profitability standpoint, Allegiant is regularly recognized as one of the most profitable airlines in the world.

Gardner: It sounds like most of your passengers, perhaps even all of them, are vacationers, not business travelers. Does that change anything when it comes to user experience, privacy, and data security?

Gullett: It doesn't change anything as far as the need to protect the data, but it puts a greater risk of brand problems concerning data breaches.

Consider the fact that our average customer flies with us once or twice a year. They are, in many cases, flying Allegiant, rather than driving to their vacation destination. Or maybe they're taking a vacation they wouldn't have otherwise because of Allegiant's low prices.

So what you have is “not-frequent travelers.” In fact, that would be kind of a name. If we were going to have a frequent-flyer program it would be the “not-frequent-flyer program,” because vacationing people just don't fly as frequently.

If I'm a business traveler, I am on so-and-so [airline], and they had a breach, I'm going to continue to fly them because I have marvelous status with their frequent-flyer program. Allegiant customers say, “Gee, I'm a little concerned about that and if they have a data breach, I think I'll drive instead.”

So the brand damage from a breach, I believe, is higher for our airline than some of the other airlines out there.

Everyone's responsibility

Gardner: Given how important it is to your business, to your brand, how do you rationalize these approaches to security to the larger organization? I know that's probably not as prominent a problem as it used to be, because we can see directly the business implications of security issues. But how do you make security everybody's responsibility? Is that something that you have been trying to do?

Gullett: First, we're very lucky at Allegiant to have incredibly broad support from the C-suite level and the board of directors for our security program. That's not a benefit that every company has, but we do, and it certainly makes life easier in developing the procedures and processes, and the technologies, necessary to protect our customer data.

We came into the business at Allegiant with the idea that we have the typical triad of people, process, and technology to deal with in the information security program -- the three legs on a stool. If you miss one of those, you are going to be on your butt on the ground because the stool isn't going to work very well.
We've really moved into more of a stage of being people-focused now. In fact, much of our budgetary spend is on security awareness for our people.

We focused on technology and process early on, because those were the easy things. Those were the low-hanging fruit. We've really moved into more of a stage of being people-focused now. In fact, much of our budgetary spend is on security awareness for our people.

We really had to look at how we best introduce security awareness to the entire company, and to make the company more culturally sensitive to information security. That extends from the customer service agent who's checking you in at the ticket counter all the way up to the board of directors.

The [security leadership] has certainly chimed in and made our board more aware of problems concerning information security. Recently U.S. Senator Edward Markey (D-Massachusetts) has also introduced legislation that specifically targets cyber security in the United States domestic airline industry.

That need to protect the data has to be recognized, and the most important part of protecting the data is the people that are handling the data. Awareness is really a big part of our program now.

Gardner: How did PCI-compliance form a trigger for your organization? What did that change mean for you, and maybe you could explain how you have gone about it at the process, people, and technology levels?

Compliance requirements

Gullett: Well, god bless compliance, because I think I got my first information-security job thanks to an auditor telling someone that they needed an information security guy because of Sarbanes-Oxley. And I joined Allegiant because of PCI. These various compliance regulations have certainly done wonders for the job market in information security. I can only imagine what it’s like with the data security and the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).

But, in regards to our travel into the world of PCI, Allegiant is also a unique airline in that the software that runs through the airline, the applications that run the airline, are proprietary. We actually write that ourselves. We have a large development staff and every aspect of the operation of the airline is run by custom software that we control and we write.

There are a lot of benefits to that because it allows us to be very agile and flexible if we want to make changes, but there is a downside. Some of the code dates back to the green screen days of the 1990s, and that code was going to be very difficult to bring into compliance from a PCI standpoint. It was just not written with security in mind, and while it wasn’t directly handling credit-card data, it was in the process scope.
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A big concern was how we were going to ever bring a significantly non-compliant custom app that would take a great number of application-developer hours to bring it up to snuff and still meet a relatively tight schedule for becoming PCI-compliant. And so, at the time we looked at a number of different products out there and we thought, well, we can't solve every problem right now. So let’s bite off small chunks and we'll take care of that.

The first thing that looked like it would be fairly easy to do, or at least straightforward from a technology standpoint, was tokenization. And so, our search was, how can we tokenize the cards that we are storing. And that led us to stateless tokenization. We compared a number of different products, but we looked at HPE [Secure] Stateless Tokenization, and that was ultimately our choice for tokenization.

Interestingly enough, while we were on our search for what the best tokenization product was, I happened to read a press release on a website that talked about format-preserving encryption as a new technology that was going to become available -- and that actually became HPE SecureData Web. We found that by accident; it wasn’t even a product that was available at the time. It was going to be targeted at card acquirers, and we actually had a hard time convincing the sales folks to sell it to us as a different type of end-user.

That solved our application problem because it allowed us to encrypt the data that was passing through those legacy apps. Between the tokenization and the format-preserving encryption (FPE) SecureData Web product, we were able to dramatically reduce the overall scope of PCI data, and that finally led us to become compliant.

Gardner: Now, this sounds like, with custom apps, it could take months, even quarters. How much time did it take you, and how important was that to you?

Gullett: The time to implement any application that is outside of what we develop ourselves is always a concern, because that takes our developers, who now have to serve as integrators, off of projects that might lead to higher revenues for the airline or to solve a problem or offer a feature that the airline would like to do. And we're very focused on improving the overall business.

We found that the overall implementation of the HPE products was very efficient. In fact, I think we had one-and-a-half full-time equivalent (FTE) application developers on the project. It took them about three months, and that was integrating with multiple payment-card interfaces. I think we started at the end of October and we went live at the end January. So it was pretty lightweight from the standpoint of integrating significant products into our ecosystem.

Stateless tokenization

Gardner: Secure stateless tokenization can often take organizations like yours out of the business of storing credit card information at all. You're basically passing it through and using various technologies to avoid being in a position where you could have a privacy problem. Was that the case with you, and did you extend that to other types of data?

Gullett: That was one of the marvelous parts of bringing the system online as it did take us from storing many, many millions of credit card numbers down to absolutely zero. We store no payment card numbers at this time. Everything is tokenized. The card data comes into our internal payment process and the system can send it off to the card acquirer to determine whether it should be approved or denied, and it’s immediately tokenized. So that has been a real win for the company -- just much less to worry about from the card standpoint.

Now from the standpoint of how we can encrypt or protect other data, we're looking at a number of possible scenarios now that we have gotten past the PCI hurdle. For example, while we don’t fly internationally with scheduled service, we do handle the charters for other companies. At some point, the company may well fly to international locations, and we will be collecting passport numbers. That would be the kind of thing we would also look at, in effect using some type of format preserving encryption, so that we're not storing the actual data.
We store no payment card numbers at this time. Everything is tokenized.

We've gained a lot of experience with the product over the last three years and that’s going to be a fairly easy implementation that will offer a great deal of protection. But we can also extend that out to customer names, birth dates, and all kinds of different things and we are looking at that now.

Gardner: The HPE SecureData Web and the Page-Integrated Encryption are being used by a lot of folks for the webpage, of course, the browser-based apps, but that also can provide a secure way to go to mobile. Many people are interested in the mobile web, not necessarily just native apps. Is that something you have been able to use as well? The SecureData Web as a way to get to the mobile edge securely?

Gullett: We do use SecureData Web in our mobile applications. We've been using it since we initially integrated the product several years ago. In fact, that was one of the data points that we had to protect from Day One. So we have the app going out to the Internet, grabbing the one-time encryption key and encrypting that data in the application itself on the mobile device, on the Android device, the Apple device, and then sending that encrypted data back to our payment-processing system, passing through any systems in the middle as an encrypted form.

We also have a subsidiary that it is not directly airline-related that is also developing a payment-processing app for the business space it works within. Because they're developing a true native application for iOS, they're going to be developing with the SecureData Web SDK that’s been released for mobile devices, which will certainly be much easier.

Gardner: Chris, we hear a lot of times that security is a cost center, that people don’t necessarily see it as a way of bolstering business value or growing revenue streams. It sounds like when you can employ some of these technologies, create a better posture, it frees you up, it makes you able to innovate and transform. Has that been the case with you? Can you point to any ways in which you've actually been able to increase revenue? I know that for airlines it’s a fairly tight margin on the travel, but some of those ancillary services can be a make or break; is that the case here?

Unbundled travel

Gullett: Allegiant is a leader in what we call unbundled travel; we would rather sell you exactly what you want. When an airline says that they offer free bags, for example, they're not offering you free bags. It does cost to put those bags in the hold, to put those bags in the overhead and carry those bags on the plane with you. There is weight, and then that costs fuel. So, there is an expense associated with every aspect of your travel on an airline today; that’s just the way it is.

Allegiant’s unbundled services allow us to say to a traveler, “Well, sure, if you want to get on the plane and you want to bring something and put it under the seat, we'll sell you a seat on the plane. If you want to bring 40 pounds of baggage to put in the hold, we'll charge for that,” because not everybody wants to bring a 40-pound bag to put in the hold.

The thing about Allegiant with its proprietary application that runs the airline is that if we see an opportunity to offer a new service to the customer or a new ancillary service to the customer, we don't have to go to a third-party and say, would you please add this so we can offer this feature to the customer; we can just do it.
We were able to implement the necessary controls with the HPE products in about three months, with about one-and-a-half FTEs.

At the time, we were worrying about PCI compliance and how we were going to accomplish PCI compliance, we also had a project to begin charging for carry-on bags, the bags that go up in the overhead. We could either spend a lot of time retrofitting the legacy app for PCI or we could spend time generating revenue by offering this new feature to the customer that they would be charged for carry-on bags up in the overhead.

The seats on the plane, everything associated with the airline, have a very quick expiration date. When the plane takes off, an empty seat has no value and it will have no value ever again. When a seat takes off empty, we can’t sell that person a Coke, we can’t sell them a bag, we can’t sell them a [rental] car, we can’t sell them a hotel room; that's gone forever. So, speed to market is incredibly important for the airline industry and it may be more important for Allegiant.

In the case of our travails on PCI and how we were going to solve our PCI-compliance issue, we wanted to be able to add this feature to charge for carry-on bags. So now you have a choice. Do you spend a lot of time integrating and cleaning up legacy apps for PCI? Do you move ahead with something that could bring in millions of dollars in revenue? The answer, of course is that you have to be compliant with PCI. So, we have to do that first.

The fact that we were able to implement the necessary controls with the HPE products in about three months, with about one-and-a-half FTEs, meant that other application developers could spend time on that carry-on bag feature in our software, allowing us to go to market with that sooner than we would have otherwise.

Now, if you look at the fact that we went to market three months earlier than we would have normally, if we had spent three months of stopping everything to do nothing but PCI compliance. Instead, we were able to use that time to develop carry-on bag charging services, that is millions of dollars that would never have been captured in any other way, because it expires, it’s gone. Once the plane leaves the ground, you can’t charge anymore.

So there was a real delivery to the bottom line as far as a profitable feature was concerned by being able to roll out that carry-on bags feature sooner. We had a much easier, quicker, and lower resource-intensity standpoint ability to integrate, using the HPE Security products.

Where next?

Gardner: So going back to our opening sentiment around the fact that you can’t just wall off data, meaning the more data, the better for your business and the more places that data can get to, the better. You've demonstrated that that’s also core to business innovation, such as growing revenue in new ways, and being agile and adaptive to very competitive markets. That’s a very interesting example.

Before we sign off, Chris, where do you go next? How do you think your security steps so far have enabled you to be more fleet, more agile, and perhaps find other business benefits?

Gullett: There is no substitute for delivering innovative solutions to problems that are well-known throughout the business, and helping that to build your credibility with the executives and the board of directors. Certainly, the solution to our PCI-compliance issues, which did get a lot of exposure to the company’s executives and the board, by being able to solve that quickly and without an impact to the operations of the airline, that brought information security awareness to a level that we had not previously enjoyed at the airline.

Although, if you talk to our executives and our board, they're going to tell you information security is very important, and I believe they believe that. The fact that you can demonstrate that you can deliver solutions that don't break the bank and do what they say they do, means a lot.

Going back to that three-legged stool, technology and the HPE Security products that we implemented for PCI are just one part. For example, if the folks aren't handling the credit cards properly or if they're not adequately protecting the data that they have on their mobile devices out in the field, our risk is just as great as a credit-card data breach would have been before we had implemented the tokenization. These are all things we kind of worry about.
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Gardner:. I'm afraid we'll have to leave it there. We've been discussing how airline Allegiant Air solved their PCI problem and got a whole lot better security and business culture as well. And we have seen how security technology can lead to a better posture maturity and then ultimately to cultural transformation and many added business benefits.

So join me in thanking our guest, Chris Gullett, Director of Information Assurance at Allegiant Air in Las Vegas. Thanks so much, Chris.

Gullett: Thanks, Dana. I appreciate it, and enjoyed the time with you today.

Gardner: I would like to thank our audience as well for joining us for this Hewlett Packard Enterprise Voice of the Customer security transformation discussion.

I’m Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, your host and moderator for this ongoing series of HPE-sponsored discussions. Thanks again for listening, and do come back next time.

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Friday, July 08, 2016

ChainLink Analyst on How Cloud-Enabled Supply Chain Networks Drive Companies to Better Manage Finances, Procurement

Transcript of a discussion on how technology innovators and new services from such suppliers as Tradeshift are translating advances in procurement and finance into business impacts.

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Dana Gardner: Hi, this is Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, and you're listening to BriefingsDirect.

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Our next business innovation thought leadership discussion focuses on how companies are exploiting advances in procurement and finance services to produce new types of productivity benefits. This business-process innovation exchange comes to you in conjunction with the Tradeshift Innovation Day held in New York on June 22, 2016.

We'll now hear from a leading industry analyst on how more data, process integration, and analysis efficiencies of cloud computing are helping companies to better manage their finances in tighter collaboration with procurement and supply-chain networks.

To learn more about how new trends are driving innovation into invoicing and spend management, please join me now in welcoming Bill McBeath, Chief Research Officer at ChainLink Research in Newton, Mass. Welcome, Bill.

Bill McBeath: Great to be here. Thanks.

Gardner: Tell me what's going on in terms of disruption across organizations that are looking to do better things with their procurement-to-payment processes. What is it that's going on, that's focusing them more on this? Why is the status quo no longer acceptable?

McBeath: There are a couple things. There is this longer-term trends toward digitization, moving away from paper and manual processes. That's nothing new, but having said that, when we do research we always see these huge percentage of companies that are still either on paper or even more common is a mix. They have some portion of their stuff on paper and another portion that's automated. That's foundational and still in the process.

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A big part of that is getting the long tail of suppliers on board. The large suppliers have the internal resources and that they can get hooked up with these networks and systems to get automated. Smaller suppliers, we think about people that may have less than 100 people or even mid-sized suppliers, have no dedicated IT resources. They may have a very limited ability to do these things.

That's where the challenge is and that's where we see some of the innovations in helping lower the barriers for them. It's helping get a company that's trying to automate all of their invoices or other things -- that can be a mix of paper, fax, e-mail, and EDI documents -- and then gradually move that customer base over to some sort of automation, whether it's through a portal or starting to directly integrate their systems.

So that ability to get that long tail into, so that everything comes in digitally ultimately, is one of the things we're seeing.

Common denominator

Gardner: In order to get digital, as you put it, it seems like we need a common-denominator environment that all the players -- the suppliers, the buyers, the partners -- can play in. It can't be too confining, but it can be too loosey-goosey and insecure either. Have we found that balance between the right level of platform that's suitable for these processes but that doesn't stifle innovation and doesn't push people away because of rigid rules?

McBeath: I want to make a couple points on that. One is about the network approach, versus the portal approach. They are distinctive approaches. In the portal approach, each buyer will set up their own portal and that's how they'll try to get that long tail in. The problem for the suppliers is that if they have dozens or hundreds of customers, they now have dozens or hundreds of portals to deal with.

The network is supposed to solve that problem with a network of buyers and suppliers. If you have a supplier who has multiple buyers on the network, they just have to integrate once to the network. That's the theory, and it helps, but the problem there is that there are also lots of networks.

No one has cracked the nut yet, from the supplier’s point of view, on how not to deal with all these multiple technologies. There are a couple companies out there that are trying to build this supplier capability to just integrate once into one network and then it goes out and gets all the other networks. So, people are trying to solve that problem.

Gardner: And we have seen this before with Salesforce.com for example. We have an environment to develop on, trying to provide services that people would use in the customer relationship management (CRM) space, for example. We saw in June that Tradeshift has come out with an app store. Is this what you are getting at? Do you think the app store model with a development element to it is an important step in the right direction?
The salesforce.com or Tradeshift approach is different. It's not just a set of APIs to integrate to their application; it's really a full development kit, so that you can build applications on top of that.

McBeath: I mentioned there were two points. The network point was one point, and the second one is exactly what you're talking about, which is that you may have a network, but it's still constrained to just that solution provider's functionality.

The Salesforce.com or Tradeshift approach is different. It's not just a set of APIs to integrate to their application; it's really a full development kit, so that you can build applications on top of that.

There's a bit of a fuzzy line there, but there are definitely things you can point to. There are enough APIs that you can write an application from scratch. That's question number one. Does that include UI integration? That would be the second question I would ask, so that when you develop using their UI  APIs and UI guidelines, it actually looks as fully integrated as if it was one application.

There's also a philosophy point of view. More and more large-solution providers are kind of in the “light bulb is going out” [stage] and they can't necessarily build it all. Everyone has had partners. So, there's nothing new about partnering and having ISV partners and integrating, but it's a wholesale shift to building a whole toolkit, promoting it, and making it easy, and then trying to get others to build those pieces. That's a different kind of approach.

Gardner: So clearly, a critical mass is necessary to attract enough suppliers that then attracts the buyers, that then attracts more development, and so on. What's an important element to bring to that critical mass capability? I'm thinking about data analytics as one, mobile enablement, and security. What's the short list of critical factors that you think these network and platform approaches need to have in order to reach critical mass?

Critical mass

McBeath: I would separate it into technology and industry-focused things, and I'll cover the second one first. Supplier communities, especially for direct materials, tend to cluster around industries. What I see for these networks is that they can potentially meet critical mass within a specific industry by focusing on the industry. So, you get more buyers in the industry, more suppliers in the industry, and now it becomes almost the de facto way to do business within that industry.

Related to that, there are sometimes very industry-specific capabilities that are needed on the platform. It could be regulated industries like pharma or chemical that have certain things they have to do that are different from other industries. Or it could be aerospace defense, which has super-high security requirements. They may look for all of these robust identity-management capabilities.

That would be one aspect of building up a critical mass within an industry. Indirect is a little more of a horizontal play; indirect suppliers tend to go more across industries. In that case, it can be just the aggregate size of the marketplace, but it can also be the capabilities that are built in.
Some companies are trying to provide more value to suppliers, not just in terms of how they market themselves, but then also outward-facing supply-chain and logistics capabilities.

One interesting part of this is the supplier’s perspective, and for some of these networks, what they offer to suppliers is basically a platform to get noticed and to transact. But some companies are trying to provide more value to suppliers, not just in terms of how they market themselves, but then also outward-facing supply-chain and logistics capabilities. They're building rich capabilities that suppliers might actually be willing to pay for, instead of just paying for the honor of transaction on a platform.

Gardner: Suffice to say things are changing rapidly in the pay-to-procure space. What advice would you give both buyers and sellers, suppliers, when it comes to looking at the landscape and trying to make evaluations and making good decisions about being on the leading edge of disruption, taking advantage of it, rather than being perhaps injured or negatively impacted by it?

McBeath: That can be a challenging question. Eventually, the winners become quite obvious when it comes to network space, because certain networks, as I mentioned, will dominate within an industry. Then, it becomes somewhat easy decision.

Before that happens, you're trying to figure out if you're going to bet on the right horse. Part of that is looking at the kind of capabilities on the platform. One of them that's important, going back to this API extensibility thing, is that it's very difficult for one platform to do it all.

So, you'd look at whether they can do 80 percent of what you need. But then, do they also provide the tools for the other 20 percent, especially if that 20 percent, even though it may be a small amount of functionality, it may be very critical functionality for your business that you really can't live without or get high value from? If it has the ability for you to build that yourself, so that you can really get the value, that's always a good thing.

Gardner: It sounds like it would be a good idea to try a lot of things on, see what you can do in terms of that innovation at the platform level, look at the portal approach, and see what works best for you. We've heard many times that each company is, in fact, quite different, and each business grouping and ecosystem is different.

Getting the long tail

McBeath: There's a supplier perspective, and there is a buyer perspective. Besides your trading partners on the platform, from a buyer’s perspective, one of the things we talked about is getting that long tail.

Buyers should be looking at, and interested in, what level of effort it takes to onboard a new supplier, how automated can that be, and then how attractive is it to the supplier. You can ask or tell your suppliers to get on board. But if it's really hard to do, if it's expensive for them, if it takes a lot of time, then it’s going to be like pulling teeth. Whereas, if there are benefits for the suppliers, it’s easy to do, and it’s actually helping them, this becomes much easier to get that long tail of suppliers onboard.

Gardner: I'm afraid we will have to leave it there. You've been listening to a sponsored BriefingsDirect thought leadership podcast discussion on how companies are exploiting advances in procurement and financial services. We've heard how technology innovators and new services from such suppliers as Tradeshift are translating these into business impacts.

So, please join me in thanking our guest, Bill McBeath, Chief Research Officer at ChainLink Research in Newton, Mass. Thank you, Bill.

McBeath: Thanks a lot.

Gardner: And a big thank you as well to our audience for joining this Tradeshift-sponsored business innovation thought leadership discussion. I'm Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, your host and moderator. Thanks again for listening, and come back next time.

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