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Dana Gardner: Hi, this is Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, and you're listening to BriefingsDirect.
We'll hear from an executive at Ariba and an industry analyst on how more data integration, and process efficiencies of cloud computing help companies to better manage their finances in tighter collaboration with procurement and supply chain activities.
To learn more about how these new trends are driving innovation into the accounts payable (AP) automation and spend management fields, please join me now in welcoming our guests.
We're here with Drew Hofler, Senior Solutions Marketing Manager of Financial Solutions at Ariba, an SAP company. Welcome, Drew. [Disclosure: Ariba is a sponsor of BriefingsDirect podcasts.]
Drew Hofler: Thank you, Dana.
Gardner: We are also here with Vishal Patel, Research Director and Vice President of Client Services at Ardent Partners in New York. Welcome, Vishal.
Vishal Patel: Thank you.
Gardner: Vishal, let's start with you. Today’s landscape for AP and collaborating across business is driving some new processes, new approaches, and you have some new research. Tell us why you did the research now and what some of your major findings were.
Patel: We completed this E-Payables 2012 research study in June of this year. It was comprised of approximately 220 AP, finance, and procurement professionals. Our intent was to get a sense of the current state of AP operations, the usage of AP solutions, and to capture some of the key strategies, processes, and performances that these organizations are able to achieve. Also, to determine how best-in-class companies are leveraging AP automation.
Gardner: And what's changed? What's new now or different from say two or three years ago?
Patel: Traditionally, we saw AP as having a very tactical focus. We asked the survey participants, "What do you think AP can do for you?" The responses ranged from payroll and reviewing invoices to responding to supplier inquiries. But in 2012, we're beginning to see a little bit of a shift more toward strategic activities and the introduction of automation in the process.
That's the general trend we've been seeing, and also just being able to connect the various processes within the procure-to-pay cycle.
Gardner: Drew Hofler, we've seen an emphasis over the past several years, particularly in a tough economy, on seeking out new efficiencies. We've seen that in procurement and supply chain. Is this now AP's day in the sun, so speak, to get efficient?
Hofler: I would say that it is. It's probably, the last bastion of paper processing in most organizations right now, typically seen, as Vishal mentioned, in the past as a back office tactical organization. They're seeing now that there are benefits that can be had by automating -- and not just automating the process and getting rid of paper -- but automating that on a network platform.
It's driving more strategic procurement on the supplier’s visibility into invoice status and payment timing, so they can manage their working capital and even access opportunities for getting paid early in exchange for discounts.
All of this stuff flows out of automation, and I think companies are really seeing how AP can now drive some of these strategic activities. So, I think it is their time in the sun.
Gardner: When we actually have an automation across the spectrum of these different activities, it seems to me that we're not going to be just collecting data and be able to proactively seek out new efficiencies or processes. It allows us to have more of an ad hoc, real-time benefit of being adept and even proactive. How is that important now, when you look at this entire spectrum of economic activity?
Hofler: That’s extremely important. Everybody needs to be nimble right now. The big deal is being able to adjust to the circumstances that are just crazy right now. It's having visibility into where you're spending specifically and when you're getting paid. Also, visibility into automating the invoice cycle and the AP process so that now you can do something with that with an early paid invoice that is approved maybe 45 days before it's due.
This opens up working-capital opportunities, where companies are offering early pay discounts to their suppliers. Suppliers who don't have the same access to cash flow that they had pre-2008 are accessing that, saying thank you, and are willingly giving up a discount so that they are lowering their days sales outstanding (DSO).
Buying organizations are getting something for their cash that they're certainly not getting with that cash sitting in bank accounts earning zero percent right now. Both sides are winning, and all of that's really made possible by automation.
Gardner: Vishal, this notion of being nimble, is that something that came up in your recent research and how important is that for companies to once again push the needle on efficiency?
Impact of AP
Patel: It's very important, especially when you start thinking about the impact that AP can have on other parts of the organization like procurement and finance. When you look at the P2P process, it's one transaction that all of these different stakeholders are connected to. But all the stakeholders are not connected to each other necessarily, and that's where automation comes in. That's when you get the added value of collaboration between the P2P cycle.
Gardner: And to this notion that interest rates are so low -- and we're told that they're going to remain that way for perhaps a couple of years -- making your capital work for you has become quite important. What is this new automation at the AP level bringing in terms of freeing up capital and giving companies just another tool, another arrow in their quiver, to get better productivity?
Patel: If you think about the manual environment where you're receiving paper invoices, paper purchase orders (POs). It's a difficult, really tedious work to get the right level of information at the right time, and then make decisions about how to most appropriately utilize cash.
One of the interesting things we found the research was that when we asked the survey participants what some of the biggest drivers are for the AP groups, the top one was improving processing efficiency, which is as expected, and it's been the same way for the last several years.
But the following two were the ones that were surprising. Number two and number three on the list were improving cash and working capital and improving days payable outstanding (DPO). Previously, we wouldn’t even have seen those on the list, but these are much higher on the list in 2012.
Gardner: Drew, we recognize that large companies that are moving lots of goods that have a lot of capital involved are deeply incentivised to do this, but what about smaller organizations? Is this now something that is attainable by them, and are they starting to see benefits there too?
Hofler: Absolutely. Any organization that can have visibility into their opportunities, into their process, and control over that process benefits from this. Smaller organizations on the buyer side are most definitely seeing the value of this. Lots of smaller organizations on the invoice sending and payment receiving side, what we would traditionally call the supplier side, the seller side, are seeing huge benefits from this.
For example, one of the suppliers on the Ariba network company called Mediafly, invoices with a very large entertainment company. They're a small company, they're a startup, and they're in growth mode. They have a full visibility into when they're paid and their CFO has told us that it's just like gold being able to see that.
So Mediafly has visibility into not only when their invoice is going to get paid, so that they can forecast on that, but also the ability to accelerate that payment on demand. They can literally click a button and get paid when they want.
They have told us that that has allowed them to hire, to accelerate their production of their products by hiring new developers, so that they can actually get a product out the door. They told us an example where they were able to get a new product out the door before they had planned, and they were scheduled to get paid on that original invoice.
And so it accelerated their growth. They've been able to avoid using credit lines because they have access to this through this kind of networked economy effect. They're able to see what's going on, and have the capability to make a strategic decision to accelerate cash, and it has really helped them as a small company.
Gardner: So visibility, predictability, understanding each part of the process, knowing scientifically or practically what's going to happen, how does collaboration fit into this Vishal? Where is that now adding another element of benefit?
Patel: In general within organizations, collaboration is a theme nowadays, with the workforce being quite diversified in terms of location. People are relying on collaborative efforts to help improve performance overall across the enterprise. And I think that's no different between procurement, AP, and treasury. Their collaborative efforts are going to improve each of their processes and the visibility they all have into the procure-to-pay process.
For example, procurement because of e-invoicing and supplier networks and just the visibility that AP is providing procurement, can improve their monitoring and measurement of supplier performance with invoice accuracy, how the're doing on payments, this helps them understand the total cost of working with a supplier.
That's one example of how procurement and AP can work together. But with treasury being able to understand what invoices are coming due, when they're coming due, when is the best time to make a payment, AP is able to deliver this kind of information in an accurate and real-time way, and that enhances their collaboration as well.
Gardner: Drew, of course we're seeing lots of advancements in the field around cloud computing, mobile devices, and social networks, where people are becoming more accustomed to having an input and saying what's going on along the way. Technically, how is collaboration being driven into what Ariba is doing specifically around this AP automation?
Hofler: It all revolves around visibility into information, and as you said, access to make decisions based on that from across silos inside of organizations. For example, one of our customers, Maxim Healthcare, had very little visibility into procurement, across AP, and into their suppliers. All three of these stakeholders had very little visibility into what was happening, once a PO went out the door and once an invoice came in. There were spot processes that happened, but they were in a black box.
They had no way to enforce compliance to contracts. So an invoice comes in but it's not connected to the original document which is essentially a contract that enforces, say, volume discounts on widgets or whatever it might be. By automating the P2P process, by bringing all of these things into a kind of a network solution, the various stakeholders are able to see what's going on.
From the procurement side, they can see the line items on the invoice, so they can do better spend management and better analysis on their spend.
From a contract compliance perspective, the AP department can automatically connect the data in the invoice to that contract, to ensure that they're actually paying what they should be paying, and not too much.
And from a supplier perspective, they benefit both from being able to see their invoice approval status, and when they're planning on getting paid. They're also able to access early payment, as I mentioned. One of the interesting benefits of this to Maxim was actually an increase in their DPO, a working-capital metric.
Procurement and AP typically may not have an impact on working-capital metrics that's usually a treasury and finance function. But when they had full visibility into their invoices and their payment terms, Maxim found that they were actually able to pay suppliers on time, rather than the practice of paying them early, because they just didn't have visibility into when they were supposed to pay them.
For a lot of my customers, we find that when we look at their vendor master, they often will have a lot of immediate terms with suppliers that they didn't realize they had, and their DPO was low as a result. So just getting visibility into all that gives them the ability to enforce the terms that they already have, and the net of that is to increase their DPO as Maxim saw.
Gardner: Now of course, we're in the networked economy. We've been talking about this in the context of an individual enterprise or a small business, but when more visibility data and accessed information along with collaboration is perhaps exploited at an industry or vertical level, there are some other benefits.
So does collaboration go beyond just what we're doing as an internal process? What about getting more data about what's going on in the whole industry and applying that to some of these business activities and decisions?
Patel: Absolutely. When you have trading partners on a network and a whole cluster of them in a specific industry, there’s tons and tons of data that can be collected on invoicing, payments, purchase orders, spending habits, spending behaviors, and certain commodities.
There is a whole host of data that's collected, that's maybe the next phase of where the supplier networks go and how they make use of information. To date, I think it's still a matter of getting the scale and getting the network to a size where that information is available and makes sense. That's probably the next phase of it.
Gardner: Drew, a similar question. This notion of taking the data and analysis add another abstraction level into an industry or vertical. This seems to me to be really something that can add lower costs and higher productivity to a much larger set of participants?
Hofler: I would definitely agree with that Dana. It's really the promise of the network, as Vishal pointed too. As you get the network effect and you get the massive amounts of data, there is just a tremendous amount of data flowing through on a daily basis on the Ariba network.
That's one of the things that's very exciting about our recent acquisition by SAP. There’s a big data program called HANA that they're developing and pushing. That's going to blow out the market. The amount of data that we can bring into that, and then slice and dice to the various different uses that's required to get intelligence into some of the things that Vishal was talking about. That's definitely huge and I would agree that it's right over the horizon.
Metrics of success
Gardner: As we start to think about closing out, I'd like to try to identify some more metrics of success. You've talked about Maxim Healthcare. Do you have any other examples of companies that have been doing this and what sort of benefits have they've been able to enjoy and share?
Hofler: Most of the companies that come onto the Ariba network to do invoice automation, we call it Smart Invoicing, are able to set up certain parameters so that by the time an invoice gets to them, it's very clean. The suppliers give an immediate feedback on things that need to be fixed, as the invoice is being submitted, and then they get it very clean.
The result of that is that we have many customers who have 95 percent, 98 percent straight-through processing. Invoice comes through, it goes straight into their back end system and it's scheduled for payment and they're ready to go.
One of our customers, Ecolab Inc., has employed this. They had a couple of big problems, for example, where they had no visibility into their shipment information from the supplier on the front end of the process and their suppliers again had no visibility into payment on the back end of the process.
A very interesting thing happened. When they weren't able to get visibility into shipment, they couldn't invoice their customer until they knew they had received the shipment that was going to be part of what they are invoicing their customer for from their supplier.
That led to an extended DSO, which is not a positive. By getting visibility into this, they were able to invoice on shipment and lower their DSO. Traditionally procurement and AP would not play in terms of DSO, but now they're able to contribute to the more strategic level of the company by impacting DSO in a positive way.
Additionally, they had risk in their supply chain from their suppliers not knowing when they were going to get paid, and sometimes threatening to and carrying through withholding shipment until they received payment on a particular thing. Now, their suppliers can see exactly when they're going to get paid and that has increased satisfaction and lowered the risk for them as well.
Just by automating the process and approving invoices in time, Ecolab increased their capture of contracted early-pay discounts from somewhere around 25 percent or 30 percent that they were able to capture before, to upwards of 95 percent. So that's a huge benefit to them as well.
Gardner: Vishal, in closing out, how do organizations get started on this? What are some typical steps that they should take in order to avail themselves of some of these benefits that we've been discussing?
Patel: One of the key things is, when looking at an automation initiative in the procure-to-pay process, to think about the process holistically, instead of focusing on automating one part, one process in AP or in procurement. There are benefits to thinking more long term about the entire process, how it's going to integrate, what technologies are going to be used for each part of the process, and whether that's all done at once or over phases.
Gardner: Drew any thoughts from your perspective on getting started, best practices, or even where to get more information?
Hofler: Absolutely, for more information, very easily come to ariba.com and look at all of our solution pieces. For getting started, I would agree with Vishal. In the networked economy, it's all about sharing information across silos, across stakeholders, and doing so in an automated fashion.
There are a lot of pieces to that and a lot of steps and processes along the way, where that information can be captured and shared across these parties.
A lot of people take it all at once in P2P process. Other people will automate POs and then invoice automation and then early payment discounting. I say look at where your communication breaks down internally over these processes, and let's target that first with some automation that can bring visibility into that.
Gardner: We've been discussing how businesses are exploiting collaboration and automation advances and procurement and accounts payable to produce new types of productivity benefits. I'd like to thank our guests, Drew Hofler, Senior Solutions Marketing Manager of Financial Solutions for Ariba, now an SAP company. Thank you, Drew.
Hofler: Thank you.
Gardner: And Vishal Patel, Research Director and Vice President of Client Services at Ardent Partners. Thank you, Vishal.
Patel: Thank you, Dana.
Gardner: This is Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions. You've been listening to a sponsored BriefingsDirect podcast. Thanks to our audience for joining, and don't forget to come back next time.
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